Stop Teaching Rotation Wrong: Xen Penny’s Secret to Hitting for Power & Precision

What if everything you've heard about hip rotation, launch angles, and "getting on time" is only half the story? In this game-changing episode of the Swing Smarter podcast, Joey Myers sits down with Xen Penny, former Diamondbacks coach and now elite private hitting instructor, to dissect some of the most misunderstood (and miscoached) elements in hitting today.

Coaches, parents, and players—if you're tired of the same cookie-cutter swing advice and want real, proven techniques that translate under game pressure against nasty pitching... this one’s for you.

🎯 In This Episode, You’ll Discover:

Why “just turn your hips harder” ruins swings — and what elite hitters actually do instead.
How to train swing adjustability so your hitter can crush fastballs and stay on breaking balls—even with 2 strikes.
The truth about lower-half mechanics and why less rotation often leads to more power.
How to eliminate “under the ball” swings (especially for lefty hitters who throw righty) by unlocking top-hand dominance.
Why Xen swears by the short bat + slider machine combo — and why it beats most velo machines for developing game-ready barrels.
The north-to-south bat path concept and how it fixes over-popped fly balls or weak 6-hole grounders.
Why aiming for line drives to the back of the net (not just doubles & dingers) is the most misunderstood cheat code in today’s game.

🔗 Resources Mentioned:

🧠 Swing Shift Daily Hitting Program – Arm your hitter with daily 3–5 minute hitting lessons, swing drills, mindset training, and more!
🛠️ The Starting Lineup Store – Explore elite hitting tools and swing trainers used by top coaches and players.
Follow Xen Penny’s insights on Twitter (𝕏): @XenPenny

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Episode Transcript

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Joey Myers: Coach.

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Xen Penny: Hey? What's up? How's it going.

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Joey Myers: How's it going? So so is.

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Xen Penny: Good. Yeah.

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Joey Myers: Is it? Is it Xen or Xen? How do you say that for your 1st name.

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Xen Penny: Yeah, it's uh. It's Xen.

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Joey Myers: Xen, like like a ZX.

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Xen Penny: Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

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Joey Myers: So where are you reporting from?

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Xen Penny: Uh! I'm in Arizona.

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Joey Myers: Is that where your home base is, or were you there for spring training?

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Xen Penny: Uh! Well. I. Originally. I'm from Tennessee originally, and I originally came out here in 2022 uh for the d batch, and.

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Xen Penny: Now, I'm just uh training hitters of my own. And yeah, so.

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Joey Myers: Mhm.

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Xen Penny: I just uh. Been training people among them for.

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Xen Penny: I was working at push performance. I ran the hitting there and then. Um.

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Joey Myers: Yep.

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Xen Penny: Decided to go do my own thing. So I've been doing that since July. So almost a year.

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Joey Myers: Oh, oh, hey! Congratulations! You're on your own like the rest. A lot of us.

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Xen Penny: Yeah, yeah, appreciate it. Yeah, so.

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Joey Myers: So how long did you get to to work out with the d-backs?

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Xen Penny: That's it. 2 years. Yeah, 2 years.

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Joey Myers: And you were. You were coaching the organization or playing in the organization.

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Xen Penny: Yeah. Uh coach in the org. Yeah. Uh my first, st my 1st year I did 3 levels uh complex, low, a and high. And then my second year. I just did low a.

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Joey Myers: Okay. Yeah, so, how was that experience?

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Xen Penny: As the heading coach. It's great. Yeah. Learned a lot. Um.

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Xen Penny: It was a great experience, you know, just uh. I feel like just learned a ton.

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Xen Penny: When you see how nasty the pitching is, I think that. Kind of changes, how you look at everything and.

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Joey Myers: Mhm.

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Xen Penny: You know, uh, just trying to solve the puzzle for each individual guy and. You know, you gotta get 18 year old kids able to hit.

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Xen Penny: 95 to a hundred every day. It's it's tough.

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Joey Myers: Yeah.

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Xen Penny: It's tough.

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Joey Myers: Well, what's funny is, so I have a couple of hitters that have been with me since they were 11, and they're seniors in high school now, you know, and I have one that went out to Santa Barbara for a showcase baseball showcase. Well, it wasn't really. It was a tournament showcase slash. And David Justice was out there. I think it was a fundraiser for his dad, or something like that.

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Xen Penny: Mhm.

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Joey Myers: So he's out there. He got to talk with with David. And he asked him, he's like, Hey, coach! Um.

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Joey Myers: Can I talk to you about like a curveball approach because we do a lot of. Strategy stuff. It's not just mechanics, but strategy, like you guys do, right?

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Joey Myers: And so he asked David about his curveball approach. And David justice goes like like any big leaguer. Former Big Leaguer goes.

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Joey Myers: Don't miss the fastball. That's like what's great. That's a simplified thing. But the pro. The problem is at the high school level, especially here in in our.

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Xen Penny: No. Good.

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Joey Myers: And this particular player of mine he he plays in a really really competitive track in Central Valley, in California. Um. The Clovis, like Clovis schools and things like that, really competitive. It's a really good, probably nationally ranked.

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Joey Myers: Lead.

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Xen Penny: I was in Visalia when I was with the d-backs.

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Joey Myers: Oh, yeah, you know, Clovis, you know the area a little bit.

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Xen Penny: Yeah, so, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Joey Myers: Yeah. So um, you know, the problem is with hitters like him and some of my other ones when they get. Up there. Sophomores, junior seniors.

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Joey Myers: They're seeing 4 sliders in a row, 4 curveballs in a row, 4 changeups in a row. So yeah, I love David's advice. Justice. Don't miss a fastball. What if you're not getting a fastball.

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Xen Penny: It's. Tell me you've never coached anyone without telling me. You never coached anyone.

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Joey Myers: Yeah, right.

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Xen Penny: Like that's. It's. It's just.

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Xen Penny: It's a blanket blanket statement. I'm just gonna move because the lighting like.

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Joey Myers: The light behind you. Yeah.

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Xen Penny: Yeah. Um.

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Joey Myers: Yeah, I thought that was pretty pretty funny, though.

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Xen Penny: Yeah, it's not surprised by that. That's that's just uh.

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Xen Penny: I mean, I'm cool with that, you know. It's just.

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Joey Myers: Yeah.

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Xen Penny: I think that. You know you can't just say blanket approaches for everyone. You know. It's.

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Xen Penny: Yeah, I like that. But like I had the same conversation with my hitters yesterday, you got like. 5 curveballs in a row, and then he got one fastball.

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Xen Penny: And it wasn't for a strike. So.

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Joey Myers: Right.

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Xen Penny: The books out to throw him breaking balls because he's been hammering people. It's like I don't.

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Joey Myers: Okay. And that seems to be the pattern right? So you see, a guy kind of jump on the scene. And this is this could be 12. You baseball could be high school baseball could be college could be professional.

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Xen Penny: What?

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Joey Myers: And once a hitter jumps in and they start hammering the ball. They start seeing fastballs right away.

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Xen Penny: Okay. Mhm.

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Joey Myers: They start hammering it, and then they at every level. This is the pattern that I see. Then those. Then they start seeing more curve balls and off speed and that kind of thing I mean, think about bonds at the highest level when he was playing.

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Joey Myers: He wasn't seeing a lot of fastballs either, but when he did see one that was in the zone he was able to get it.

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Xen Penny: Yep.

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Joey Myers: But that's the thing is at each level. David. Justice can say that.

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Xen Penny: Yeah.

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Joey Myers: But at the lower levels, when you start dominating, they're just not going to throw it. And the same hitter that was talking about mine. I had a conversation with them. This was 2 falls ago.

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Joey Myers: And in the fall they play. They inter squad and intra squad, you know, within themselves, and play other school.

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Xen Penny: Yep.

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Joey Myers: Which is cool, and they were playing um. They were playing some other track schools, other Clovis schools. Mixed in like every other week, or something, or or a couple like a double header or whatnot.

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Joey Myers: And I was asking him how he was doing, and he said, Yeah, you know, I was one for 5. I was one for 6, or I was 2 for.

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Xen Penny: Hmm.

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Joey Myers: 5 or something, and and then. I'm like Drake. You should be going like 3 for 4, 4 for 4, 4 for 5, with what we're doing, and.

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Joey Myers: And he just I'm just not. I'm not seeing any fastballs. And I go. Oh, I go! Well, what do you.

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Joey Myers: What are you hunting? We like to do? A lot of observational, you know.

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Xen Penny: Mhm.

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Joey Myers: What the pitcher's doing, and that's where we go. And he goes. Well, I'm hunting fastball.

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Joey Myers: And I go well. How many fastballs you seen in a bat. And he goes one and I go. Is it usually a strike? He says, no. And I go. Why are you hunting a fastball? Bro? So then.

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Joey Myers: He kind of the light bulb went on, and that's when. That's when he was hunting the Slider, or he'd hunt the curveball because he was getting 3 or 4 of those in a bat, and he'd just get the one that hit the zone, or you know, 2 that hit the zone and and go that way. But.

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Xen Penny: Perfect.

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Joey Myers: I told him, he said, you have to. You have to change. You can't. You can't just goes. But I like hitting fastballs. I go. I know you do, but they don't want to throw.

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Xen Penny: No. Everyone does.

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Xen Penny: Hit what you're gonna get, not what you want to hit.

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Joey Myers: Yeah. Right? Yeah. Good. Saying.

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Xen Penny: It's it's uh. Yeah, you're getting one in every at bat. Same for a strike like.

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Xen Penny: Wake me up, you know. Any sense like.

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Joey Myers: One of the one of the cool things that you said uh recently was talked about. How. On middle away pitches, or even down pitches, that you the lower half. You really don't have to use the lower half that much. It's like rotation. Wise is what we say. You don't even have to rotate that much to get to a ball like that.

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Xen Penny: Yeah, and you know. And there was a guy that was commenting, and said this. This was good rotation, and like.

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Xen Penny: You don't. You're not stopping, and I'm like. You can. He can think whatever he wants.

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Xen Penny: The reality is the kinetic sequence is a kinematic sequence.

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Joey Myers: Mhm yeah.

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Xen Penny: I didn't invent it like. It's it's not opinion.

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Xen Penny: The hips have to stop. In order to transfer energy up the chain like it's been lab tested. It's not.

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Xen Penny: It's unbelievable. The information that's available. And people's opinions are so bad like.

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Xen Penny: But anyway, yeah, so like. It's clear data that.

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Xen Penny: Your lower half the pelvis is gonna go intern further on, inside pitches. Compared to pitches away. If you want to not drive the ball hard, the opposite field, try to turn your hips and your pelvis a lot like.

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Xen Penny: You're not. You're never gonna drive the ball hard opposite field.

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Joey Myers: Right.

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Xen Penny: People can do whatever they want to do. But I'm just telling you I've never seen it really work. Maybe they'll collide with it. But like they're not gonna. They're not gonna hammer it to the opposite field the way they could. You know, it's not gonna have that like.

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Xen Penny: It's not gonna take off to the opposite field. So. You know, that doesn't mean you play at the opposite field like you, you know. You don't wanna like.

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Xen Penny: Push him to the opposite field, but. The hips can definitely not be as active. And that's why I'm I'm big on the Slider machine.

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Joey Myers: Mhm.

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Xen Penny: If you're a handed hitter. Starter machine away with short bat if you got like, uh, some type of dimple balls or phone balls.

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Joey Myers: Mhm.

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Xen Penny: If you do that, you're lower, like. You need speed late in your lower half. Can't twist off the ball. I mean, it's.

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Joey Myers: Mhm. Hmm.

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Xen Penny: Tracy Smith just put out a post about it like. Listen to all these good coaches. Talk about it. It's like.

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Xen Penny: It's it's a staple, you know, for so for me, when I was watching the Ryan brown, I'm like.

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Joey Myers: Mhm.

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Xen Penny: Could tell that the ball is away, and his lower half is not as active, and it's like. But people's belief is is, you need to turn your hips more for more power. And what they don't realize is that.

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Xen Penny: That's taking away your ability to hit for power. And it's taking away your consistency. So. The lower half is gonna turn. You don't have to try to turn it. So it's uh.

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Xen Penny: I think people just overcook a lot of moves, and uh. Focus on your bad path and.

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Xen Penny: You know, if if you're trying to turn your uh, I was having a conversation with. I hit her recently.

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Xen Penny: And he was like, Yeah, like, I lined out. But I caught the ball really deep. But my lower half wasn't hardly turned at all.

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Xen Penny: He's like. So my life next at I try to turn my hips hard to get all the way through, and I was like well how to work out. He's like I ground out the 3, rd and I'm like exactly. Doesn't work like it's uh.

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Xen Penny: Now, it depends on who you're working with. If you're working with a 10 year old like. I'm not saying turn like. Tell him to turn his hips hard, but like.

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Xen Penny: I don't really. I don't work with a ton of youth kids, but when I do, I'm telling them, hey. Like, hold your fan and swing hard.

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Joey Myers: Mhm.

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Xen Penny: And you'll see some anchor type. Lower halves like Will. Their lower half will stay. Peel the floor.

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Joey Myers: Mhm.

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Xen Penny: You'll see it turn and then re-anchor. You'll see all types of those kind of moves. You'll see them have closed stance.

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Xen Penny: You'll see them uh. Scissor, but.

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Xen Penny: Almost every single coach will coach him out of that, and, like I'm I don't coach him out of that at all. I'm like those are good moves like.

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Joey Myers: Yeah, me, neither.

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Xen Penny: It's uh. I just try to with those guys. I'm more like, Hey, swing it hard, you know, like.

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Xen Penny: Uh! Behold it finish and. But you know, majority of the time.

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Xen Penny: With the upper level guys. It's like, okay, like, we need to tone there for level down, you know. So it really depends on who you're working with. So.

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Joey Myers: Right well, and the thing that I tell my hitters is, we have 90 degrees of fair territory to work in. It's not like cricket where you have, and I might be wrong about this but 360 degrees of fair territory. Right? So.

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Joey Myers: Spinning off the ball when we have to be very optimized and maximized in this space. I watched a video. This was probably a couple years ago on XI think.

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Joey Myers: Probably Craig Hyatt posted it, and it was Chris Bryant, and he was pulling a ball. And it was an overhead view.

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Xen Penny: Mhm.

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Joey Myers: I like, because we can see the shoulders. In relationship to the pelvis.

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Joey Myers: Pulling a ball righty. And his belt buckle.

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Joey Myers: Never, never crossed the 1st baseman. And I was like Whoa!

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Xen Penny: Yeah, very yeah, very little. Lower. Half. Moment.

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Joey Myers: Wow! And so, you know, at that time I think I can't remember where I was in my my learning, but I knew that. The lower lumbar. If you look at the hardware in there, those.

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Joey Myers: Lumbar vertebraes aren't actually made to rotate. They're not engineered to rotate. They're. Engineered to flex and extend, and that's it. And so they I can't remember the guy that said it. Wein Groff, or what was his name, was.

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Xen Penny: Mhm.

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Joey Myers: But he said it was like 7 to 12 degrees of rotation in the lumbar spine. So. Yes, it does rotate, but it's.

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Xen Penny: Mhm.

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Joey Myers: You know our body's very good and. Flexibility wise, but there, it's not as flexible as, say, your T-spine, your T-spine is 40 degrees in both directions. You can.

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Joey Myers: You can rotate 40, you can rotate 40 degrees right.

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Xen Penny: Yeah.

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Joey Myers: And I think a lot of these people. They they forget. That, hey? There's another. There's another 2 pieces of the spine. It's not just the hips and the pelvis and the lumbar. You still have the T spine, and you have the cervicals.

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Joey Myers: That I always call it like a vice vice grip, except it's 3 hands. Right? You got one hand that turns one way, the other. One goes the other way, and then the one on the bottom kind of turns the L and the C. Kind of turn the same way right or resist each other, and then the t's in the middle. It's kind of like wringing a towel out, you know, but people forget about that part of it, and it's all about the hip stuff.

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Xen Penny: Yeah. It's uh. For me. It's.

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Xen Penny: Focus on the upper body and. Once you get the upper body.

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Xen Penny: And you teach yourself how to stop. I love stick finishes of, you know. I've done that for years like.

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Joey Myers: Hmm.

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Xen Penny: Kind of like what Ryan Braun was doing, whether it's 1 hand or 2 hand, but.

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Joey Myers: Mhm.

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Xen Penny: Once you teach the body how to stick, to finish, then. You'll see the lower half get stable, because the upper body is compressing down another stable. Lower body, you know. So it's um.

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Joey Myers: And where do you like? Where do you.

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Xen Penny: When you try to focus on the the lower half, you'll start getting guys. I call it rotating above ground.

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Joey Myers: Mhm.

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Xen Penny: And then it's like exiting off. As opposed to when you, if you really want to see the lower body work well.

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Xen Penny: Get the upper body to compress down into. Ah! The lower body so.

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Joey Myers: Almost like resist.

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Xen Penny: And then when you say.

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Joey Myers: Almost like resist the rotation like, get the road almost like they're fighting each other.

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Xen Penny: Yeah, so.

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Joey Myers: Man.

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Xen Penny: Basically just getting the. The upper body. They get into the front side.

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Xen Penny: Because if you want to use the ground well, then. Uh you use your front leg about like.

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Xen Penny: Twice as much as your your back leg, which. The Internet worries don't understand it.

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Xen Penny: So it's it's just uh. It's all just about figuring it out. But I think at the the end of the day, if if you want to really compress balls. You need to like.

00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:33.000
Xen Penny: Like create stiffness at contact. And you know, um. When you look at guys that really like.

00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:40.000
Xen Penny: Impact. The ball, like Mookie, is like. 100 and 70 pounds, but, like.

00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:49.000
Xen Penny: And he's not that big, but like. He is stiff at contact. He's bracing, and uh.

00:16:50.000 --> 00:17:01.000
Xen Penny: Creates that stiffness which compresses the ball. He's not just colliding with it, and uh. I'm really all for that, because I think that a lot of things are getting sold as progress.

00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:12.000
Xen Penny: And they're not progress like uh. Like, you know, everyone thinks I'm against technology like, I'm like, fused everything. But.

00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:17.000
Xen Penny: I don't believe in. Um.

00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:24.000
Xen Penny: 10 prs. Pick like. On the hitch racks for distances, because.

00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:28.000
Xen Penny: They're not real like. I don't.

00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:30.000
Joey Myers: It's a video game. It's an expensive video game. Yeah.

00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:35.000
Xen Penny: So video. Expensive video game, and that it says that you hit the ball 3 90. But.

00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:38.000
Xen Penny: It's it's side spun.

00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:40.000
Joey Myers: Hmm.

00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:43.000
Xen Penny: And like, that's not 3 90. So you're selling false results. So.

00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:45.000
Joey Myers: Mhm. Mhm.

00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:51.000
Xen Penny: And it creates higher effort, level. Cause the every level is raising, and then that creates moves, that, in my opinion, are not good.

00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:53.000
Joey Myers: Mhm, I agree.

00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:53.000
Xen Penny: So, but to each their own.

00:17:54.000 --> 00:18:02.000
Joey Myers: Now, when you talk about compressing the upper half to the lower half, is that when you say chest down, keeping the chest down during the swing. Is that what you mean? Uh-huh!

00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:04.000
Xen Penny: Oh, yeah. Yeah, keeping the chest down, and then.

00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:08.000
Xen Penny: Um. It's like what Berkman talked about.

00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:10.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:12.000
Xen Penny: Is, the the hands have to win the race.

00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:14.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:25.000
Xen Penny: And if they don't, if the lower half like yes, it starts, but it has to stop, and the upper body is going to get past so you can get the barrel out. If the lower house keeps going, then everything's gonna be dragging behind and.

00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:31.000
Xen Penny: You know. Uh. One thing that kind of irks me, that.

00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:37.000
Xen Penny: I get tired of hearing all the times timing. I'm like. I'm cool with timing, but like.

00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:48.000
Xen Penny: I'm just not on time, and I'm like, Well, you're not on time, because your backpath is terrible like. You're in, and then you're out of the zone, or like.

00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:48.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:53.000
Xen Penny: Your your body is on time. But your barrel is way back here, so for me.

00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:56.000
Joey Myers: The sequence is off mhm.

00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:59.000
Xen Penny: I'm always true sequences off and. Um. People were like.

00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:00.000
Joey Myers: Swing, tempo, swing tempo.

00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:06.000
Xen Penny: Yeah, it's just off, and the body is on time. But my barrel is just dragging behind me. So like.

00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:07.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:12.000
Xen Penny: The barrel's gotta win the race. And then that's how you hit uh good pitching. So it's a.

00:19:13.000 --> 00:19:21.000
Xen Penny: It's just a a word people use when. You know they he's just not on time. Okay? Well, like.

00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:23.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:26.000
Xen Penny: Don't get me wrong. Some people need to start. They need to start later. They need to start earlier.

00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:27.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:36.000
Xen Penny: You know. Obviously, that depends. But. It's to the individual. But I think that if your barrel is not on time it it doesn't matter.

00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:44.000
Joey Myers: Well, you know what I like about you and your post is that you? You do talk a lot about Bat Path, and I know. I know you know the.

00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:54.000
Joey Myers: The gentleman who we don't have to name. But you know a lot of bat path in that right. And and I'm a big bat path, Guy, too, and I.

00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:51.000
Xen Penny: Okay.

00:19:54.000 --> 00:20:02.000
Joey Myers: The chatter on X between 2 individuals. That we've talked to, even in our Dms. About.

00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:10.000
Joey Myers: That they're both right and wrong at the same time or not. At the same time, I guess right and wrong in certain instances. So you.

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Xen Penny: Agree.

00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:18.000
Joey Myers: You have a you have a saying where you keep the bat path north to south. Can you explain that? And just kind of give an example like a case. Study one of your guys.

00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:26.000
Xen Penny: Yeah, I think, like. One of my hitters uh that I think of right away. You know.

00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:33.000
Xen Penny: He uh. Very down, and I'm cool with down thoughts.

00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:38.000
Xen Penny: Because majority of people think down that are good hitters. And I I like down.

00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:39.000
Joey Myers: Yeah.

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Xen Penny: But he was down and across.

00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:42.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:48.000
Xen Penny: Down and across. So he was either hitting 6 hole ground balls or.

00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:53.000
Xen Penny: Swinging so far down. That he was clipping it and popping it up and.

00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:58.000
Xen Penny: The one Internet warrior guy that we're talking about. He doesn't understand that.

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Joey Myers: Yeah.

00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:08.000
Xen Penny: He? He doesn't understand that. Sometimes you're swinging so far down you'll you can clip the ball and over, spin it. That's what.

00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:25.000
Xen Penny: The old bar doesn't understand is that you can swing so far down. You can clip it and over, spin it, and then. Over you basically over, backspun it, and then it'll it'll pop up. And then this particular hitter thought he was under because he had some older school guys teaching them.

00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:22.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:34.000
Xen Penny: And I'm my Bro. You are not under so like. It just took about a year of work like heavy balls.

00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:41.000
Xen Penny: Ah! Basketball like. All kinds of stuff to just teach them how to compress it. But.

00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:46.000
Xen Penny: It was really uh. He used to have his hands in here.

00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:48.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:58.000
Xen Penny: And then just go here. So we worked on like here, and then tipping it up. So it'd be easier to drop in with his uh his back elbow and then hold the position forward.

00:21:57.000 --> 00:21:59.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:21:58.000 --> 00:22:08.000
Xen Penny: But uh when. When I'm teaching bad path. It's more of this is staying down the line thinking, Freddie Freeman. And then my palm is like serving the pizza.

00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:18.000
Xen Penny: But for me it was um. Trying to get him to finish high, but we worked on the kind of tip up move so he could drop in easier.

00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:33.000
Xen Penny: And it's just so. He's on plane deep and early uh, very Craig long broadcast. And then. So he's on playing deep and early, and then he's able to hold those positions this way through center field and not exit out.

00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:39.000
Xen Penny: But also. He wasn't flushing the ball. He was super down so.

00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:45.000
Xen Penny: It took a lot of work, of. Just really, like.

00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:59.000
Xen Penny: Don't. You don't have to think down or anything. Just go through it, you know. So uh. Even now he'll uh. He's still playing at the same school, so he'll start like cutting broccoli again, and.

00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:07.000
Xen Penny: I'll put his uh back against the net, and then if he comes across he'll feel right away. So he'll have to finish high through it.

00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:15.000
Xen Penny: And uh. But I'm telling them like we're still trying to hit a line drive, because I don't want you scooping under it, you know. That's where.

00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:22.000
Xen Penny: That that's not good, either. So like. You know, still trying to hit a line drive through the ball.

00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:26.000
Xen Penny: And while going through it so.

00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:46.000
Joey Myers: So what do you? So that was the other thing that it struck me that I like about what you're posting is about the line drive the back of the net line, drive, or whatever they said. Backside line drives, you know. And you have that big old core group of people. I don't know if it's big, but. It seems like it sometimes, where it's all about dingers and doubles, dingers and doubles, and they want to.

00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:54.000
Joey Myers: Hijack, the the upper back 3rd of the top of the cage right so. When you explain this to.

00:23:54.000 --> 00:24:01.000
Joey Myers: A younger hitter. Why. Back of the cage line drives is better. What do you usually? What do you do? What do you say?

00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:03.000
Xen Penny: Um.

00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:04.000
Joey Myers: How do you convince them? Should I say.

00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:12.000
Xen Penny: Well, I think that. The the group that you're mentioning sells false results.

00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:19.000
Xen Penny: And. It's it's not real. It's not real baseball.

00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:27.000
Xen Penny: And it's. It makes you feel great about yourself, but it's not reality.

00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:35.000
Xen Penny: Because there's still a game that has to be played. And what's great about being in Arizona is, there's games basically year round.

00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:43.000
Xen Penny: Maybe December, not many games, but every other month they're playing. So it's like. Stuff that's not good gets.

00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:49.000
Xen Penny: Played out fast, so. Um. I've actually gotten, you know. Uh.

00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:55.000
Xen Penny: That's just. It gets where you're in other States. It could be.

00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:09.000
Xen Penny: They could survive on that a lot longer, because they're not playing as much. But here there's a lot of games. So it's like you can figure out quickly if it's not working, but. For me.

00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:20.000
Xen Penny: It depends on who it is. But say, I mean a typical hitter, you know. I worked with a hitter last year that hit 12 Homers in high school.

00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:23.000
Xen Penny: We're not trying to hit the top of the cage the whole time.

00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:25.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:31.000
Xen Penny: But, and he has got more power than anyone in the State. But. I would say, depends on who it is, but.

00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:37.000
Xen Penny: Typically. I talked to hit her a few weeks ago, and I was like, Okay.

00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:44.000
Xen Penny: How many Homers did you hear last year? It was like none.

00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:50.000
Xen Penny: I was like, Okay, why are you trying to hit Homers? Is, I didn't have an answer.

00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:52.000
Joey Myers: Yeah.

00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:57.000
Xen Penny: And I'm like, Okay, hey, let's just be a good hitter and flush it. And hit some line drives and be a good hitter.

00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:05.000
Xen Penny: And. It was a few weeks after that he had a Homer.

00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:08.000
Xen Penny: Because he was more direct.

00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:10.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:15.000
Xen Penny: And wasn't over swinging, and was more consistent on the barrel, and then it was just uh taken off.

00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:17.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:27.000
Xen Penny: But his body starts getting involved because he wants to try to generate all his power, and then he's not a good hitter, and. He's not a.

00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:34.000
Xen Penny: He's not impacting the ball. So he's actually hitting for less power. So. For me. It's all like, let's hit it.

00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:44.000
Xen Penny: Through the wall, not over it. And the reason I know that that works is because. If you're facing good pitching, and you're that's your thought process. That ball's gonna go because.

00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:52.000
Xen Penny: I want us above the ball and direct. Because that's what translates in the game hardline drives, and then.

00:26:53.000 --> 00:27:01.000
Xen Penny: Like, even in the Big Leagues. You hit a ball. Like 7 to 22, which is the micro Franklin thing, which is cool.

00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:09.000
Xen Penny: But you hit like 700 in big leagues if you hit balls like at that. Those degrees, you know, you hit like crazy. I think it's 700, but.

00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:11.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:20.000
Xen Penny: Basically, if you're hitting the ball on the line a lot, you're gonna be really good. Your slugs gonna be good, you know everything. So. Everything that I do with hitters.

00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:28.000
Xen Penny: Is, I teach pretty good vertical back path. But I'm like, Okay, I want us to be vertical. But above it.

00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:30.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:37.000
Xen Penny: I don't wanna scooping under it. I want us to be vertical so we can hold our position through the ball, but I want us to be above it. So it's uh.

00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:36.000
Joey Myers: Mhm, Mhm.

00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:45.000
Xen Penny: I'll tell guys all the time they'll hit the top a little bit. But it's a good swing. I'm like, Okay, hit that same ball. But hit lower.

00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:47.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:51.000
Xen Penny: I'll tell him. Hit it through the pitcher's feet, you know, whatever whatever the individual needs, you know. But uh.

00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:51.000
Joey Myers: Yep. Yep.

00:27:52.000 --> 00:28:00.000
Xen Penny: I would say, there are certain individuals that. I wouldn't say I told him to hit the back net.

00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:04.000
Xen Penny: It really depends because they're super across.

00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:06.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:12.000
Xen Penny: So they'll be sideswiping it, and I'm like no like. We'll work on like backspinning it.

00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:15.000
Xen Penny: The left field with like true true spin.

00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:17.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:22.000
Xen Penny: And I think one thing. I would say the old Guard misses is.

00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:26.000
Xen Penny: They're like, yeah, back of the net line drives. And I love back of the net.

00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:28.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:32.000
Xen Penny: I'm a back of the net advocate, but. I'm like that thing hit back on the net. But it's going like this.

00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:34.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:42.000
Xen Penny: I'm like, that's top spun like or side spun. Like it's 6 degrees or 8 degrees, but it's side spun into the net. And I'm like.

00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:43.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:45.000
Xen Penny: Came across that like, that's not good. So it's.

00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:48.000
Joey Myers: They're they're colliding like you said they're colliding with it.

00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:58.000
Xen Penny: No, it's not. Yeah. So it's it's like anything. It's how you do it, you know, so I don't. I don't think that's good, but I think. I think it's ah! It's how you do it, and.

00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:05.000
Xen Penny: For me. I want back of the net, but I want it through the baseball. I don't want us. Uh. I'm like a cross or.

00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:13.000
Xen Penny: Or anything like that, and you know you gotta coach the individual like. I even taught.

00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:20.000
Xen Penny: Uh, you know some of the. The this I wouldn't say crazy snap stuff, but it was a little bit of the version.

00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:22.000
Joey Myers: Mhm. Mhm.

00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:32.000
Xen Penny: To a header, because uh. Start everything with him, and he was still across, still across, and he was hitting the ball low, which is, I like. But it was all across the ball, and.

00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:28.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:37.000
Xen Penny: How to get a more depth behind, you know. So. Then the day out.

00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:43.000
Xen Penny: I'm never! I'm never, gonna cancel anything out if. If a certain guy needs it like.

00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:45.000
Xen Penny: So.

00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:47.000
Joey Myers: Я настрой. Лайки.

00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:48.000
Xen Penny: Yeah.

00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:50.000
Joey Myers: Кино ибей голд лакс голд Ру.

00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:04.000
Xen Penny: Yeah, yeah. But.

00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:20.000
Joey Myers: И и.

00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:18.000
Xen Penny: Let's see.

00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:37.000
Joey Myers: Program like, it's all about top hand dominance, because that's especially middle in and middle up. And that's why I think a lot of the Big Leaguers and former Big Leaguers talk about swinging down is because they don't want to get beat. They're thinking about that 97 in on their hands, and they don't want to get beat by that. And of course you gotta. You gotta be able to be more top hand dominant there. But.

00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:34.000
Xen Penny: Hmm.

00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:53.000
Joey Myers: I had a I was asked to help out and work with the Varsity hitters at one of the local high schools. Clovis West. In 22. And the only mechanical thing because we did mostly strategies, because we started in January. And and I just didn't want to like start mixing with guys mechanics like beginning of the season, you know.

00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:54.000
Xen Penny: It was. Um.

00:30:53.000 --> 00:31:00.000
Joey Myers: But the one thing that we did talk about is, I had the group of boys there. And I said, How many of you golf? And so they most of them.

00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:21.000
Joey Myers: Raise their hands, and I said, How many of you that golf do you slice most of the time, you know, and you got about 3 quarters of them, still with their hands up. And I said, How many of you that slice to make your adjustment? So if you got the hole straight ahead, you just kind of shift your feet away from the hole, so that now you're slicing towards the hole. You know, you got some of the guys kind of raising their hands kind of reluctantly, now.

00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:29.000
Joey Myers: And I said, Well, why not try the opposite? I asked him, what's the opposite of a slice? And they think, and a hook.

00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:36.000
Joey Myers: And I said, Yeah, why not try a hook? So us we talk about a snap, but our snap is more pronated or a.

00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.000
Xen Penny: Hmm.

00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:41.000
Joey Myers: Yeah, pronated Snap. I guess it's more this way than it is this way.

00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:42.000
Xen Penny: Mhm. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:58.000
Joey Myers: Right? So so that's what we worked on. That was the only mechanical thing that we worked on, because, looking at the lineup watching them take. Bp, we had. Say, if you got 9 hitters. Probably about 3 or 4 of them just kept getting under the ball under the ball under the ball. Fly, ball, fly, ball fly, and if it's 1 thing, as you know.

00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:06.000
Joey Myers: That high school coaches hate. Are fly balls. They would take a weak ground ball roller to the 3rd baseman, then a fly ball.

00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:07.000
Xen Penny: Okay. Hmm.

00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:08.000
Joey Myers: Caught right at the track like.

00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:10.000
Xen Penny: Anywhere in the country.

00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:13.000
Joey Myers: Anywhere in the country. Yeah, it's probably not just in Arizona and California.

00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:14.000
Xen Penny: Yeah. Yeah.

00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:24.000
Joey Myers: So. So we work on the the hook instead of them. But then my lefty hitters righty throwers. Lot of times. That's what really helps them is the hook, because they come in.

00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:37.000
Joey Myers: Trying to be dominant with their bottom hand, and they they slip underneath because anytime, that bottom hand being the hand that. Doesn't have a good grip on the bat on the handle, right like, if we're talking about a deadlift grip where we go opposites, you know.

00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:38.000
Xen Penny: Mhm.

00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:54.000
Joey Myers: So the hand that's this way that has the bar right in the in your hands gonna be a lot stronger in a stronger position than this hand is when you got a big old giant 300 pound Barbell in your hands right. So it's the same on the swing, where not only is their their dominant hand on bottom, but it's also in the weakest position in holding the handle.

00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:50.000
Xen Penny: Where is this?

00:32:54.000 --> 00:33:08.000
Joey Myers: Versus this one, where the handles laying right into the hand, has a much more solid base to it, you know, and so those I find those lefty hitter righty throwers righty hitter lefty throwers. Whenever they get a little bit more activated with their top hand, that they get a better at being able to steer.

00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:13.000
Joey Myers: The ball. We call it on the vertical, you know. We disguise it as a launch angle, but on the vertical.

00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:17.000
Xen Penny: Mhm. Yeah, those guys are always under.

00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:19.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:26.000
Xen Penny: I would say, Yeah, like. I would make them. I've had guys like that swing with a donut on their back.

00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:28.000
Joey Myers: Yeah. Yep.

00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:36.000
Xen Penny: And it's uh. It's tough, but. They just can't feel the top hand at all, you know, so.

00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.000
Joey Myers: Yeah, mhm.

00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:43.000
Xen Penny: And they're like an out in in the game cause if God's telling 80, and you're. Dropping your barrel, you got a chance.

00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:47.000
Joey Myers: Yeah, yeah, we tell our pitchers. We tell our pitchers to.

00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:46.000
Xen Penny: Yeah, so.

00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:53.000
Joey Myers: To imagine hanging a tire swing. And having the the circle right at the armpits.

00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:59.000
Joey Myers: And so our pitchers just throw right through that. If they can throw right through that tire, swing those guys that are. Under. Under. It's just.

00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:05.000
Joey Myers: They don't have to do anything special. No breaking stuff, no change ups. Just throw fastballs right up right up at their.

00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.000
Xen Penny: Don't! Don't throw a breaking ball. You're gonna throw it into the barrel.

00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.000
Joey Myers: Yeah, right.

00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:11.000
Xen Penny: I'll do that.

00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:13.000
Joey Myers: Yeah, don't do that, or a change coming down.

00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:16.000
Xen Penny: Yeah, yeah, just throwing it into their barrel. That's the only thing they can hit.

00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:23.000
Joey Myers: Yeah, hey? You mentioned hitting the ball. Deep and out in front is a cheat code. So can you share a story of a player who mastered.

00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:25.000
Joey Myers: This concept and kind of why you use it.

00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:34.000
Xen Penny: Yeah, I would say, um. You know for me it it's adjustable uh, I think.

00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:45.000
Xen Penny: Wanna be able to get hits when we're when we're not perfectly on time, you know. So. Want us to be able to get hits when we catch it deep on us.

00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:57.000
Xen Penny: And be able to get hits when we're staying through a breaking ball, and we're a little early, but we can still stay through it so. Uh for me, you know, you gotta have be able to have linked out front.

00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:06.000
Xen Penny: But you also have the ability to back it up. So it's uh the catch it out front uh dynamic.

00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:16.000
Xen Penny: You know, it's like anything. It's it's good, but it's also. There's a certain hitting group that says.

00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:26.000
Xen Penny: Pitch it out front, pulse out in the air. And I'm like, Okay, so you want them to catch the fastball out in front and the breaking ball out in front.

00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:29.000
Xen Penny: That's impossible.

00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.000
Joey Myers: Yeah. Not gonna happen.

00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:37.000
Xen Penny: Impossible. So for me uh kind of a staple that I was telling you earlier is.

00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:33.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:45.000
Xen Penny: We'll do the. 3rd base side, Slider away short bat to train, hitting the uh back of the ball up.

00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:51.000
Xen Penny: And then we'll do 1st base side. Lefty Slider. With the fungo.

00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:57.000
Xen Penny: Coming into them, so they have to get the head out, but still going through it and not coming across it. So.

00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:59.000
Joey Myers: Yep. Yep.

00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:04.000
Xen Penny: I would say, Yeah, just well, one of my. One of my hitters. Um!

00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:17.000
Xen Penny: He was getting. He was catching it deep, but it was because he was dragging his bat. So we did a lot of the right. He, Lefty, hitter Righty Slider coming into him.

00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:24.000
Xen Penny: And I'm saying, Hey, like I was telling them we were doing the fungal. And then this game bad like. Get it out in front of the plate.

00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:38.000
Xen Penny: But don't come across it. Get out in front for them, play, but go straight through it and. Ever since we've been doing that, he's been on a tear. And it's uh, similar to what Bergman was talking about on the one podcast he did.

00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:46.000
Xen Penny: You get a very unique feel of. Being inside the bowl.

00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:48.000
Xen Penny: But getting it out in front.

00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:49.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:54.000
Xen Penny: It's hard to replicate within anything really else. And unless you do that.

00:36:54.000 --> 00:37:07.000
Xen Penny: And. You know I use. I've done that for years, even before I was with the d-backs, and then I did it with some guys to the d-backs, too, and and I always had great results with it. But now, since I've been doing it all the time, it's like.

00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:19.000
Xen Penny: It's like it's better than the Velo machine, you know. It's uh. It's such a great feel, and and guys are just getting better from it. So I just uh.

00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:25.000
Xen Penny: I think that. You get that feel of not catching it out front like that?

00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:34.000
Xen Penny: But getting it through the bowl and out in front, and. Start getting the bat head out, and you start hearing some loud contact.

00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:36.000
Xen Penny: But the right way, so.

00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:44.000
Joey Myers: Right? Yeah, no, I love that. And then our the language we use is swing across your chest. I think I got this from Matt Noakes. I don't know how much stuff you looked at. He's got some interesting.

00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:38.000
Xen Penny: Okay.

00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:53.000
Joey Myers: Teachings in on his side. I think it's hitting solutions.com or something. But Matt's great, and he says, swing across the chest, not around the chest.

00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:55.000
Xen Penny: Mhm.

00:37:53.000 --> 00:38:01.000
Joey Myers: And that's similar. You could use the head to the nose, swing across the nose, not around the nose, you know. And I've had the same.

00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:09.000
Joey Myers: Results that you're talking about where I have one hitter in particular. Right now, we're really trying to break him because he's very. Turn to get to that ball inside.

00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:11.000
Xen Penny: Mhm.

00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:17.000
Joey Myers: And some guys are either taught that too much. I find the ones are girls. I find the ones that aren't taught a lot. Get it.

00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:20.000
Joey Myers: They just get it, they just naturally get it. But when they're.

00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.000
Xen Penny: Mhm.

00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:28.000
Joey Myers: Over rotated. They're taught to over rotate. They. They feel like. Especially on inside pitches, that they have to rotate more to get to that ball.

00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:35.000
Joey Myers: And we we take more of a swing down and across the chest. Approach and keep it fair. So that's kind of the 3 cues we use.

00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:34.000
Xen Penny: Yeah.

00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:49.000
Joey Myers: And what happens is, I tell them if you're rotating more to get to the ball you already that inside pitch you gotta turn. You have to hit it farther out in front. You can't hit that ball deep. To be effective. So you already got to be out in front with it.

00:38:49.000 --> 00:39:02.000
Joey Myers: And if you're having to turn more. Your brain knows it needs to get it there. But it's the challenge, is, it has to get the body to get it there right. You're talking about the hands right? The hands have to win the race. So the hands got to at some point. Get there that has to get there.

00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:04.000
Xen Penny: Have to.

00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:12.000
Joey Myers: And when they turn more they have to make a sooner decision. To swing, and I said, Why would you want to make an even sooner decision that you don't have to make? So we we call it cheating.

00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:13.000
Xen Penny: Yeah, they're cheating. Yeah, they're cheating.

00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:24.000
Joey Myers: Yeah, we call it cheating. But in our system it's not cheating. It's the right way to do it. And it's what we see. Big Leaguers do it like falls in line with all the stuff right. But the ones that are trying to turn more to get to that ball.

00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:38.000
Joey Myers: They look at our hitters, and they say. They're cheating. You're cheating to get to the ball, but that's what Bonds was doing back in the day in early 2 thousands, you know the big old fat arm guard on the ball would get thrown almost right under that arm guard, and he'd hit it. He'd hit it into the bay fair.

00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:32.000
Xen Penny: Yeah. Yeah.

00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:40.000
Xen Penny: Mhm.

00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:44.000
Joey Myers: Like I. And at the time I was like, how does he do that? Because I was always taught rotate more to get to that ball.

00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:50.000
Xen Penny: Yeah. Yeah, that's what I was meaning, you're this way. You're gonna have to. You're gonna have to decide really early to make a.

00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:53.000
Xen Penny: And you're you're gonna have no ability to hit the ball deep.

00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:55.000
Joey Myers: Right.

00:39:53.000 --> 00:40:00.000
Xen Penny: No chance, because front front shoulder front hip is off. And you're trying to cheat the pitches.

00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:10.000
Xen Penny: That's why I don't. I don't approve of hitch track swings because it it promotes that, and it's. It's not game hitting. It's uh.

00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:19.000
Xen Penny: It's a it's a broken system, in my opinion of of what we sell as results. It's a.

00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:32.000
Xen Penny: For progress. Yeah, he! He raises bad speed, and he raised his exit velocity. He got better like. That doesn't necessarily mean that you got better, you know. Uh, I want guys to hit the ball hard.

00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:39.000
Xen Penny: You know, I want people to impact the baseball. Obviously, who doesn't? But. Um i.

00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:49.000
Xen Penny: Worked with a kid with 80 mile an hour. Bat speed average 80 mile an hour. Bat speed, and he was. About to hit the catcher's mask with his back, because he was dragging so bad. So it's like.

00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:50.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:51.000
Xen Penny: I don't know. It's uh.

00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:55.000
Joey Myers: He's gonna get exploited at some level, even though he's got, you know.

00:40:55.000 --> 00:41:06.000
Xen Penny: No chance against velocity. I mean Arizona. These guys are throwing. Facing 90 miles an hour, 94 95 all the time. It's like.

00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:08.000
Joey Myers: In on your hands, in, on your hands, and up.

00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:16.000
Xen Penny: Yeah, like the Perry husband, you know, like what he talks about like if. Guys throwing 95, and they throw it up and ends 99.

00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.000
Joey Myers: Yeah.

00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:27.000
Xen Penny: They throw you alone away. This is what High School coaches also, like my opinion. Kind of missed the boat on, too. They're like, throw them away. I'm like, this guy's late.

00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:37.000
Xen Penny: To next week, and you're throwing 85 and you just throw them away. You just made it 81 and gave them a chance. You throw them. He told my heater in.

00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:41.000
Xen Penny: He's got no chance, but it's uh.

00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:43.000
Joey Myers: The same pitch. The same pitch could be the same pitch, like.

00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:45.000
Xen Penny: Yeah.

00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:52.000
Joey Myers: We've we've lost our. I think our baseball moral compass, when it comes to like Greg Maddox type pitching right.

00:41:52.000 --> 00:42:10.000
Joey Myers: I feel like. And I there's a lot of aspects to driveline. I like, I'm not a big weighted ball throwing guy. I mean, I know some of the exercise they do is good, but this whole emphasis on Velo on throwing Velo like I'm a big velo. I like. Exit below off the bat. I like that because you need that.

00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:11.000
Xen Penny: Hmm.

00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:13.000
Joey Myers: If you're gonna hit with any kind of distance right.

00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:15.000
Xen Penny: You do? Yeah, you gotta hit the ball hard.

00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:25.000
Joey Myers: But. When everything's all about how hard you can throw, and not being more finesse and going back to hitting the precision barrel precision, I think Joey votto.

00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:32.000
Joey Myers: It was a great interview I had posted a while back, where he was being interviewed, I think, by Harold Reynolds and D. Rowe, or somebody.

00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:31.000
Xen Penny: Okay. Sure.

00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:48.000
Joey Myers: And they were talking about exit Velo, because at the time that was the thing. Hey, Joe Joey, you know. What about exit, Velo? You're like. And he said, Oh, yeah, XA was great. But you know what's even better is that you could get any guy I mean, he? He was included in that conversation. He just didn't include himself, but he talked about.

00:42:49.000 --> 00:43:10.000
Joey Myers: Alex Rodriguez, and trout, and he said, You get them. Taking. Bp, and you tell him, hey, trout! I want you to one hop the wall and right center on this ball. Boom! He'll do it. I want you to one hop the 3rd baseman on this one boom. He'll do it. I want you to hit a sky high fly ball foul to the 1st baseman boom. He'll do it, you know, and and you go in Japanese baseball. Same type of thing. It's a lot of barrel precision.

00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:13.000
Xen Penny: Sorry. Mhm, the, the rapid Toss.

00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:15.000
Joey Myers: That's, you know. And so when you, when you talk about. The what.

00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:16.000
Xen Penny: The rapid toss.

00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:17.000
Joey Myers: Yeah, rapid. Toss right?

00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.000
Xen Penny: Yeah.

00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:19.000
Joey Myers: So there's things. Yeah.

00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:22.000
Xen Penny: Yep, do a whole shopping cart.

00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:24.000
Joey Myers: Yeah, so there's. Huh!

00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:25.000
Xen Penny: They'll do a whole shopping cart.

00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:29.000
Joey Myers: Right? Yeah. So there's things from other programming that.

00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:27.000
Xen Penny: Yeah.

00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:35.000
Joey Myers: Can benefit our hitters like. You can't poo. Poo! One thing.

00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:41.000
Joey Myers: Like I part of that conversation. I poo poohed a lot of stuff. 7 8 years ago.

00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:47.000
Joey Myers: The whole swing down ground ball stuff I was like, oh, ground balls you get. But hey! The one hop ground balls.

00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:45.000
Xen Penny: Mhm.

00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:54.000
Joey Myers: 2 hop ground balls like Perry says. I think a 1 hop ground ball or 2 hop ground ball that's hit it in the Big Leagues. Hit it like 90.

00:43:55.000 --> 00:44:00.000
Joey Myers: 95 miles an hour, or 94 miles an hour. Batting average is like 5, 50.

00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:03.000
Xen Penny: It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. High.

00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:04.000
Joey Myers: Right.

00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:07.000
Xen Penny: Cause. It's just a low missile that just like one hops through. It's.

00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:07.000
Joey Myers: Yeah.

00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:13.000
Xen Penny: I saw that when he was uh debating with someone and. Yeah, very interesting. Uh, he's.

00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:26.000
Xen Penny: He's got. Very. What I like about Perry is is, if you say something to him. You better pack your lunch because he's got data behind what he's saying.

00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:28.000
Joey Myers: Uh-huh. Mhm.

00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:31.000
Xen Penny: And he's not just making an opinion, you know. He's like, well, there, here's the data he can.

00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:33.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:36.000
Xen Penny: You can't just have blanket statements to him. So I've I've always appreciated that.

00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:51.000
Joey Myers: And he and he's very, and he's not very emotional. I mean, he's emotional. But he. So he's he's a good friend of mine, and I've had lots of talks. I mean, when I get on the phone with him. It's hard to find time, because it's like 3 h talks, and they're awesome talks, like great stuff.

00:44:51.000 --> 00:45:12.000
Joey Myers: But yeah, you, I think he changed my mind on a lot of that stuff, the ground ball thing, and just just the whole system of of effective velocity. And I'm not picking on judge or anything. And I'm sure I'm going to talk about this on other podcasts. Because it's a great example, it's just the barrel path that one swing barrel path where, during the season this last year.

00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:21.000
Joey Myers: He had 3, 2060, Homers, and I'm sitting there with my son, my 12 year old son. Loves baseball. We watch games together, we talk about pitch sequencing. We talk about.

00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:31.000
Joey Myers: From the hitter standpoint from the pitcher standpoint, you know. What would you throw here in this this? You know, it's it's really fun. I'm I'm really blessed. I got a son who's doesn't hate me, and you know.

00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.000
Xen Penny: He likes it.

00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:36.000
Joey Myers: He likes it. And I just kept. I'd go. I'd look over, and I might go.

00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:47.000
Joey Myers: Noah! How in the heck is this guy allowed with this one barrel path to hit 320 with 60 Homers and 100 something rbis. And then comes the playoffs in the World Series.

00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:52.000
Joey Myers: And it seemed like the pitching just changes. And he's now.

00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:53.000
Xen Penny: It's better. It's better.

00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:54.000
Joey Myers: Better.

00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:59.000
Xen Penny: What's teams get exposed to because they're just trying to hit Homers and can't just rely on Homers. Score runs.

00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:04.000
Joey Myers: Right. So he gets. Like Perry, husband-esque goes hard up, and in.

00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:11.000
Joey Myers: And he can't, can't get to it. And then they're going 3 or 4 sweepers down and away. And that should have been the pitch he was sitting on.

00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:14.000
Joey Myers: But he ended up being in the middle of both of those.

00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.000
Xen Penny: Yeah, he's in between.

00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:18.000
Joey Myers: And he had a hard time. He had a really hard time. I felt bad for him.

00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:23.000
Xen Penny: Well, it's uh. Well, teams still throw them low and away. Fastballs.

00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:28.000
Xen Penny: And I'm like. What are you doing?

00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:34.000
Joey Myers: I mean public knowledge. The heat map is public knowledge. You can go on Google. Search, Aaron Judge, hitting heat map, and it'll show you.

00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:40.000
Joey Myers: Cold at the bottom, or on that. Down and away and cold away. You know it's cold.

00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:45.000
Joey Myers: I mean I mean hot, and then it's cold up. And up, and in and in like.

00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:54.000
Joey Myers: You know I have some friends that are Major League players, former Major League players, and they're not stupid like they're not dumb. They're smart. And I'm sure there's some that maybe are.

00:46:54.000 --> 00:47:00.000
Joey Myers: A few French fries short of a happy meal, but most of them. I mean, they're at that level, not because they're dumb, like they're.

00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:01.000
Xen Penny: Right.

00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:05.000
Joey Myers: Not, they're smart. So what? You know. What do you think? What do you think is going on there? You think.

00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:13.000
Xen Penny: I think that. It's truly unbelievable how many people don't know about effective velocity and.

00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:18.000
Xen Penny: It's still over some people's heads. It really is. I think.

00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:20.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:26.000
Xen Penny: I think some people are aware of it. Um. But when I watch Aaron judge during the season.

00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:30.000
Xen Penny: It's amazing how many people just set up blown away.

00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:32.000
Joey Myers: Yeah.

00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:37.000
Xen Penny: It's amazing. It it truly is, but he's been rough to spring training.

00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:39.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:39.000
Xen Penny: I believe when I looked at it.

00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:41.000
Joey Myers: Yeah, I saw that, too.

00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:42.000
Xen Penny: Um.

00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:47.000
Joey Myers: And I love Aaron judge. He's a Fresno state guy, I'm afraid. You know Fresno state he's a Fresno state guy. I love Aaron judge. It's not him.

00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:49.000
Xen Penny: The mix. I've only heard great things and.

00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:51.000
Joey Myers: Yeah. He's a great dude.

00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:57.000
Xen Penny: I I think uh. I think maybe last year teams are like, Oh, gosh! Like.

00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:05.000
Xen Penny: This is how we get them out like. So I'm very interested to see how he does uh, actually made a video.

00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:10.000
Xen Penny: About like what I would do. Like.

00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:19.000
Xen Penny: What I would do uh with him, because he loves the turn behind those getting in the hip. But. When you watch his good swings he'll.

00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:24.000
Xen Penny: He'll hit it, and he'll step over with his front foot. He'll do the trout step and.

00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:26.000
Joey Myers: Hmm.

00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:33.000
Xen Penny: There's times when he doesn't do it, but there's times when he's really doing it, and that means he's getting in. He's still getting into his front side, so.

00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:35.000
Joey Myers: Hmm.

00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:43.000
Xen Penny: So I uh made a video about that. But uh. Gonna let it play out a few weeks, and then I might might share it.

00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:45.000
Joey Myers: Yeah.

00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:51.000
Xen Penny: Yeah. So we'll see. It's uh. But he's at Yankee Stadium, which is good for him.

00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:53.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:57.000
Xen Penny: Because he hits a lot of balls that. Our Homers, cause you're at Yankee Stadium, and.

00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:02.000
Xen Penny: You know he's a freak, I mean. Um.

00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:08.000
Xen Penny: So he he gets away with some things. And his discipline at the plate is.

00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:12.000
Xen Penny: Crazy, so.

00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:13.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:17.000
Xen Penny: There's other, as we know, other aspects being a good hitter, and he he checks all those boxes so.

00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:23.000
Joey Myers: And he and he would probably need to have a good sense of the strike zone, and I don't know what he's using if he's using.

00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:20.000
Xen Penny: I'm.

00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:35.000
Joey Myers: V. Flex, or anything like that. V flat. I don't know if you've heard of V. Flex. V. Flex is a great tool, I think for learning strikes and things, and he would have to, because if he was chasing a lot of those balls up he wouldn't.

00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:30.000
Xen Penny: Okay. Mhm.

00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:38.000
Joey Myers: He wouldn't have the year that he had last year. Let's just say that.

00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:44.000
Xen Penny: Well, and they call the low strike on them a lot. But I'm like, why are you guys throwing them down.

00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:45.000
Joey Myers: I know.

00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:46.000
Xen Penny: I don't understand.

00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:48.000
Joey Myers: And a fastball.

00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:53.000
Xen Penny: Fastball down is a recipe for a ball hidden 4, 60.

00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:55.000
Joey Myers: Well, one of them.

00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:55.000
Xen Penny: Yeah, it's.

00:49:55.000 --> 00:50:06.000
Joey Myers: So it was around. It was, I think it was game 2 of the World series, and like I just felt bad for him. He was just really struggling. And it was really, I think it was trending was just.

00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:15.000
Joey Myers: Crushing him rest of the dodgers pitchers, but. They were throwing him that fastball up and in they're throwing him 3 or 4 sweepers down and away, and he's swinging and missing and.

00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:23.000
Joey Myers: Found the the fastball back, and then they finally throw him a fastball down and away, and he takes it. And it was almost like he. He steps out, and he's like.

00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:27.000
Joey Myers: Like he missed it. I was like, oh, I feel so bad for him.

00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:27.000
Xen Penny: Mhm.

00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:29.000
Joey Myers: Crazy.

00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:33.000
Xen Penny: Because he was so in between. You know he's cheat cheating.

00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:35.000
Joey Myers: Mhm, right? Yep.

00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:37.000
Xen Penny: It's having to cheat. It's uh.

00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:42.000
Xen Penny: If I was gonna work with them today I would. I would literally just like get him.

00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:50.000
Xen Penny: And kinda get them into uh the. Kind of more the middle.

00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:51.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:56.000
Xen Penny: And I'm like, Hey, like you can feel this. But like. We're gonna do that. But like above the ball, more.

00:50:56.000 --> 00:51:02.000
Joey Myers: Well, your I think your Lefty Slider. Machine with the fungo.

00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:05.000
Joey Myers: Right mhm.

00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:10.000
Xen Penny: Money money for him. I would either. I would do that, and then another one. I would do that. Um.

00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:18.000
Xen Penny: I have. I've done with a really good big leaguer of his level. Is.

00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:25.000
Xen Penny: Say, right handed hitter, 3rd base angle like uh. Inner Lane, Heater.

00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:27.000
Joey Myers: Mm, Mhm.

00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:29.000
Xen Penny: So the barrel has to get out, and you can't. Uh.

00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:29.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:37.000
Xen Penny: You cannot. Can't push it. You can't drag like the barrels gotta get out.

00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:39.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:42.000
Xen Penny: So I would say. I would say that would chew him up.

00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:51.000
Xen Penny: But it's and and I really learned it. When I was with the d-backs I had a hitter.

00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:58.000
Xen Penny: Couldn't get the barrel out. Couldn't get the barrel out. They're chewing them up on the inside like. Books to throwing them in, and they're just chewing them up.

00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:00.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:03.000
Xen Penny: And. I just started doing that 3rd base angle.

00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:08.000
Xen Penny: Inside heater with him, and then they throw him in. He starts smashing them so.

00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:10.000
Joey Myers: Hmm.

00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:15.000
Xen Penny: It's uh, you know, coach the individual and. It just trimmed him up, and he started getting the head out, you know. So it's.

00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:21.000
Xen Penny: I love being inside the ball, but some people are so inside it's pushing it. I'm like, just get the head out, you know. So.

00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:20.000
Joey Myers: Mhm, Mhm.

00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:23.000
Xen Penny: So uh.

00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:23.000
Joey Myers: I love that.

00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:31.000
Xen Penny: I did it with a kid last night. He's just like so pushy. I'm like. So we did like bunch around 3rd base angle and like.

00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:35.000
Xen Penny: Deliver the head, and then 3rd base angle uh.

00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:34.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:41.000
Xen Penny: In heater like get the head out. So. It's a.

00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:50.000
Xen Penny: But I really learned that. And then I remember talking right afterwards to Perry, husband, and I was like. You're so right because.

00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:57.000
Xen Penny: I knew he was right, because if he could cover that, what we worked on. He was ready for any heater.

00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:59.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:05.000
Xen Penny: And then, when they now they start throwing them away again. Which is his strength. He was hammering people.

00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:06.000
Joey Myers: Default. Now he just defaults.

00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:13.000
Xen Penny: Yeah, so it's um. Think her husband's been, you know, kind of known as a.

00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:20.000
Xen Penny: Pioneer, but I think like he's. Even though it's technically pitching. But it's helped me within development of my hitters. Uh.

00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:20.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:25.000
Xen Penny: I don't necessarily click care, but. This is actually um.

00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:34.000
Xen Penny: True story. I did that same exact drill last summer with Nolan Arenado. And 3rd base angle.

00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:40.000
Xen Penny: And. Because he's just dragging about, dragging about, dragging about.

00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:49.000
Xen Penny: And I haven't posted this anywhere or anything, even though, like I, I should. But I haven't, just because I want to keep the relationship. But I'll share this on there. I don't care.

00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:51.000
Joey Myers: Yeah.

00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:57.000
Xen Penny: And uh. He was getting chewed up by it because he couldn't get his barrel out.

00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:05.000
Xen Penny: He was just laid on heaters laid on heaters laid on heaters, and uh. We did like 4 rounds of that.

00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:16.000
Xen Penny: And then at the end, he's just like what. What? And I was like just the whole Og Rockies finish like one hand hold at the top like head down.

00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:22.000
Xen Penny: I just made sure that he did that finish, no matter what, with the head down and the hold with the one hand, no matter what.

00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:24.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:33.000
Xen Penny: While he's trying to aim more above it. And that night, after he did that it went 3 for 3 against Sky Stone like 95 98, which he had no chance against that before.

00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:36.000
Joey Myers: Mhm. Yeah, yeah, I love that.

00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:36.000
Xen Penny: So it uh.

00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:38.000
Joey Myers: Yeah.

00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:38.000
Xen Penny: Works at the highest level with the best.

00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:45.000
Joey Myers: Well, and and the other, the other example comes to mind, is Freddie Freeman. So I love. I love his approach and.

00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:53.000
Joey Myers: Our guys kind of take that more of as a 2 strike approach, because I think it's a great adjustable 2 strike approach and.

00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:53.000
Xen Penny: That's right. Thank you.

00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:58.000
Joey Myers: But when he was when he hit that walk off. Grand slam to win.

00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:02.000
Joey Myers: With a bad, was it? The front foot bad front foot.

00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:03.000
Xen Penny: Yeah, he was hurt. Yeah.

00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:11.000
Joey Myers: You know, and he was watching how Otani. How they were pitching Otani. They were busting them in, busting them, in, busting them in hard.

00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:24.000
Joey Myers: So he was watching that he's like, Hey, Otani's an Mvp. I'm an Mvp. I'm a Lefty. He's a Lefty. Probably it's going to be the same way. And with Freeman he's very inside. Everything's inside. He kind of gap to gaps.

00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:30.000
Joey Myers: And on that pitch I was sitting there watching it with Noah. My Noah. And he hammers it.

00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:56.000
Joey Myers: All top hand like what you're talking about with Arenado. Right? I mean, he went. He went, top hand stayed above his bottom hand. We say that like, imagine the bottom hands an inflate little inflated ball, and we're trying to keep it underwater. Keep it from popping up with the top hand, and it was like he had just kept that thing underneath the water, and just absolutely hammered that thing with a lot of top hand. Snap and I looked over at no angle. Dude. There it is, right there, that's the snap.

00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:58.000
Xen Penny: That's almost nasty.

00:55:57.000 --> 00:56:01.000
Joey Myers: And that was 98 miles an hour. You know. I didn't teach. I didn't teach, but he was.

00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:00.000
Xen Penny: Okay.

00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:12.000
Joey Myers: He was hunting. That, and he said it in interviews. That's how we know, he said. I watched how they were pitching Otani, and then I knew I needed to get that that head out.

00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:08.000
Xen Penny: Yeah.

00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:14.000
Joey Myers: Way early because.

00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:14.000
Xen Penny: It was left on left, right.

00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:17.000
Joey Myers: Yeah, I think it was left on left, too. Yeah, a hundred percent.

00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:21.000
Xen Penny: Yeah, he he said. Um was trying to keep him in. And he was like I was ready for the heater.

00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:23.000
Joey Myers: Uh-huh.

00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:26.000
Xen Penny: I tell lefties that like uh. Keep them in, because.

00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:27.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:33.000
Xen Penny: You're facing a lefty. How's he gonna get you out? You're gonna try to get you chase away off the plate.

00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:35.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:36.000
Xen Penny: So keep a man beat it to the spot.

00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:38.000
Joey Myers: Mhm, Mhm.

00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:47.000
Xen Penny: Like uh the trap is a way off the plate, and if you're chasing away off the plate, you're like you're doing them a favor like. Try to keep them close to you.

00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:52.000
Joey Myers: Mhm mhm right? Yeah, they want you to be around. Around, swing around.

00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:55.000
Xen Penny: Yeah, it's. Exactly. And it's like.

00:56:55.000 --> 00:57:02.000
Xen Penny: You know, and it's just your visual, you know, so it's like, try to keep it a little bit. Closer to you, you know, to.

00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:14.000
Xen Penny: Left on left, like, how often you see guys swing at stuff. That's another batter's box. It's like. That's how he's gonna try to get you out. You know that going into it. Just try to keep him close to you a little bit.

00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:37.000
Joey Myers: Mhm, yeah, I love that. So last question, before I let you go. Anything new. I know when I'm working with hitters. There's always something like right now that we're really doing. That's that's new or that has come. That's come up recently bubbled up. You know anything new that you guys, you're working with your hitters on like a concept. Or I know you're working a lot which I like the Slider machines and the extreme angles. 1st base, 3rd base. Was there something.

00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:33.000
Xen Penny: And.

00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:40.000
Joey Myers: Is there something else that you've been? You guys been working on recently?

00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:42.000
Xen Penny: Um.

00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:46.000
Joey Myers: That's a little newer for you. It doesn't have to be newer in general, just newer for you and your hitters.

00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:55.000
Xen Penny: Let's say a staple for us is to. Inner lane, and whether right handed here, left handed hitter.

00:57:55.000 --> 00:58:00.000
Xen Penny: Just being able to. It would shoot ball flights at the poolside.

00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:02.000
Joey Myers: Mhm, Mhm.

00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:08.000
Xen Penny: Everyone's. So inside. Inside, or coming around, or whatever, and.

00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:15.000
Xen Penny: Some of that stuff works on balls away, and so. Stay. A lot of our. A lot of our work is.

00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:21.000
Xen Penny: Inner lane, but go straight through it and don't come across it. And uh.

00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:30.000
Xen Penny: Whether it's straight up, whether it's open angle, whether it's closed. Angle, it's uh. We do a lot of interlane.

00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:34.000
Xen Penny: And go go through it. And don't come around.

00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:36.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:39.000
Xen Penny: And so don't cast off of it. Don't. Don't push it, you know. Um!

00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:53.000
Xen Penny: I think if you can hit it with true spin, say your right-handed hitter to the left center gap. Then, if you can do that, then when you do hit the ball away your posture and everything is going to be way cleaner.

00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:59.000
Xen Penny: So when you do hit the ball the opposite field, you're gonna hammer it so. I'd say, starting with that, and then uh.

00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:05.000
Xen Penny: I would say like. Depends on the hitter, but I would say like.

00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:13.000
Xen Penny: Doing that, and then um. Combine that with the the slider going away from them, so they have to hit it deep as well.

00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:16.000
Xen Penny: Staying over the plate, holding posture.

00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:18.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:21.000
Xen Penny: I think that that's a good little blend. But.

00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:21.000
Joey Myers: And you do that with the short bat right.

00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:25.000
Xen Penny: Yeah. The the righty sliders, short bat phone balls.

00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:27.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:31.000
Xen Penny: You'll see Speed late with hitters, because they can't have any of this.

00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:32.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:34.000
Xen Penny: They'll learn how to go here over the baseball with your chest and.

00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:36.000
Joey Myers: Yep.

00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:40.000
Xen Penny: I think that uh. It's amazing how many guys can't.

00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:46.000
Xen Penny: Hey? The ball pulls out with the backspin, and. I have some guys that's literally like.

00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:52.000
Xen Penny: Almost all we work on with certain hitters, and then a game. They still hit Oppo. But it's not.

00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:56.000
Joey Myers: But it's cleaner contact.

00:59:55.000 --> 01:00:01.000
Xen Penny: It's cleaner contact. And it's not like. A flair of the dugout.

01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:08.000
Xen Penny: It's a hard contact the other way, and it's. So, telling them inside the balls like.

01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:10.000
Xen Penny: Oof, I wouldn't, I wouldn't do that, so.

01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:10.000
Joey Myers: Hmm, mhm.

01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:12.000
Xen Penny: Is to the individual.

01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:18.000
Joey Myers: I think, and I and I think a lot of people could really benefit from. Taking golf principles.

01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:23.000
Joey Myers: Because everything has to be so precise with golf. You have a small ball.

01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:23.000
Xen Penny: Mhm. Mhm.

01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:29.000
Joey Myers: You have a straight club face. And that ball is going to go hundreds of yards, not hundreds of feet.

01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:36.000
Joey Myers: And if we think about hitting it, flush now with around. A barrel, and with the round ball.

01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:43.000
Joey Myers: That shrink, that sweet spot will shrink. According to the angle of the barrel. So if it comes in and we're able to go barrel.

01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:51.000
Joey Myers: Ball and be able to go center center contact you got with the wood bat. 2 inches of sweet spot that's fully exposed.

01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:57.000
Joey Myers: But the minute you start to open that. Face open a little bit now you're the the amount of.

01:00:57.000 --> 01:01:13.000
Joey Myers: Exposed sweet spot shrinks, and I don't know what the exact on it is, but it could be an inch, you know, from 2 inches to an inch. Um, you know, an extreme down like you were talking about earlier in the in the podcast episode, where they're like cutting the ball like way too much doing too much of it.

01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:17.000
Joey Myers: You're same thing. You're shrinking the sweet spot too much up. Same thing.

01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:18.000
Xen Penny: Too much. Yeah, it's not good.

01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:28.000
Joey Myers: You know, the goal should always be center center contact. And the things we do depending on the hitter like you said, it's depends depends on what the hitter is doing. You know you said that many times I'm I'm the same way. I speak the same way.

01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:29.000
Xen Penny: Yeah.

01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:32.000
Joey Myers: So you can't apply the same thing to every single header.

01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:39.000
Xen Penny: Yeah, it's what they need. And you know, I think. Some guys. I'll tell them like, when we're doing the ready Slider.

01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:47.000
Xen Penny: States are righty, Slider, Lefty, Hitter. Around around around. I'll tell them it's called scraping. I'll tell them.

01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:46.000
Joey Myers: Hmm.

01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:53.000
Xen Penny: Hey? Like finish high, but like Miss inside, miss, inside these next few.

01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:55.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:58.000
Xen Penny: And that's through a ball flight to the middle of the field. So it's like.

01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:00.000
Joey Myers: Mhm.

01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:02.000
Xen Penny: But if I tell some some people that, then it's like.

01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:04.000
Joey Myers: Yeah.

01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:10.000
Xen Penny: So it's uh. It's all about what what they need, you know. So I'm always I'm always gonna.

01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:13.000
Xen Penny: Do what I can to help them solve the puzzle. So.

01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:17.000
Joey Myers: Mhm I love it well, thanks. Coach Xen, and any um.

01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:17.000
Xen Penny: Yeah.

01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:33.000
Joey Myers: So I'll get everything together for you. Send it over. I'll even do some bite size ones, and you know, so I'm hoping I'm hoping next week or the week after we'll get this, we'll get this out. But before I let you go, be respectful of your time. Where can people find you is, are there any kind of.

01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:27.000
Xen Penny: Yeah.

01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:39.000
Joey Myers: Um things that you have that, you know sell in. This is the time to do that kind of thing, or promote, or whatever.

01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:50.000
Xen Penny: No, I would say uh just Xen penny on twitter. And then Xen Penny, hitting on Instagram and. Just trying to put out information to, to help people and.

01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:57.000
Xen Penny: You know, do you wanna. Work with me online or in person, or whichever.

01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:06.000
Xen Penny: You just hit me up and then can see if we can make it work and. But yeah, appreciate the time, and having me on it was, it was good to talk shop and.

01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:09.000
Xen Penny: Hopefully shared some information that can help some people.

01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:11.000
Joey Myers: Do you have a website yet? Xen or No.

01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:13.000
Xen Penny: No, I just uh.

01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:15.000
Joey Myers: His dms and stuff.

01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:18.000
Xen Penny: I'm I'm yeah. I'm I'm a young guy, but like, I guess, old school guy.

01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:20.000
Joey Myers: You're not tech oriented as a young guy.

01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:22.000
Xen Penny: No, no, not really.

01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:23.000
Joey Myers: How old are you, Zen?

01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:25.000
Xen Penny: I'm 29.

01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:27.000
Joey Myers: Okay, yeah, you're not. I mean, you're younger than me. But.

01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:29.000
Xen Penny: Yeah.

01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:31.000
Joey Myers: You're kind of an old fart, you know the the 1213 year olds. Think you're an old fart.

01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:35.000
Xen Penny: Yeah. Yeah. One of my hitters asked me yesterday if I was gonna get married.

01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:37.000
Joey Myers: Already.

01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:38.000
Xen Penny: Yeah, so it's kind of fun. Yeah, it's kind of funny.

01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:40.000
Joey Myers: Is this an older player, or is this.

01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:45.000
Xen Penny: Yeah. He's uh. Who's a sophomore in high school.

01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:47.000
Joey Myers: Okay, he said. You're gonna get married.

01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:53.000
Xen Penny: So yeah, so you're eventually gonna get married. And I was like, yeah, eventually, I gotta.

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Joey Myers: People. The conversations with some of these kids like I don't. I don't take hitters right now that are younger than 11. I just have too many older ones that I can't. I have some of my high school guys that have been with me for a while. I send those younger ones to right, and they work with them. So if I tell, I tell those young ones of the parents like if they're 6, and I say yes to a 6 year old, and then I got an 18 year old that comes in like I can't take that 18 year old and send them over to my 18 year old or 17 year old, you know, so if I say no to one, I got to say no to your yes to one I got to say no, to another, you know, but the conversations.

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Joey Myers: That are had in cause. I do groups. I'll do like 3 or 4 in a group, or I'll do like I call them duals, 2 on ones, you know. And so it's just fun. I just think I have a blast. Learning and keeping the pulse on what's trending and.

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Xen Penny: It's so funny.

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Joey Myers: It's so fun.

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Xen Penny: They say they're gonna crash out. That's my. One of my favorite things.

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Joey Myers: Yeah.

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Xen Penny: Yeah, I don't know. It's. They? What's interesting about uh dealing with these uh kids is.

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Xen Penny: They're on their phone the entire day and they can't. They can't text anyone back. Doesn't make any sense.

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Xen Penny: I tell him that all the time, too. It's just like. You're on your phone the whole day. How do you not text anyone back.

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Joey Myers: Yeah. Well, they're doing it at. If you've ever been out. They'll be at a table, and it could be 2 16 year olds or 17 year olds, you know, a day on a date, and they're sitting there.

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Joey Myers: Texting. What are we doing.

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Xen Penny: Yeah. Hello, there, phone. And I'm kind of a phone addict. Like, I, I'm on my phone user researching something.

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Xen Penny: Uh like I was looking at hitting stuff before we got on like. But like when I'm like.

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Xen Penny: With my hitters like I'm not on my phone like.

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Joey Myers: Me yeah, me neither.

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Xen Penny: Yeah, like. I'll tell them to get off their phone like.

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Joey Myers: Mhm yeah.

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Xen Penny: Like we're heading right. Now, get off your phone.

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Joey Myers: Y'all say, hey, you selling you selling Bitcoin right now.

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Xen Penny: Yeah.

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Joey Myers: No? Okay, then get off your phone. If you're not selling Bitcoin.

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Xen Penny: Yeah, get off your phone. It's uh. But yeah, it's uh.

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Xen Penny: I think the phone is a great, it's all it's it's how you use it. You know, it's an incredible resource, like I've learned so much just from the Internet, like. Social media is great, like.

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Xen Penny: People don't realize like you can learn a ton. But it's uh.

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Xen Penny: I think there's also times like I'm not trying to be on my phone at all. And I want to just be in the prison and.

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Joey Myers: Mhm.

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Xen Penny: I want them to have my full attention.

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Joey Myers: Well, and also to you myself and others, who have a pretty good grasp of the principles. You know of hitting the whether it's strategies or mechanics, or whatever it is.

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Joey Myers: Others do not like these other parents don't. And so you throw them on the Internet. And you got all this stuff, and they don't know who to go to. And that's what I feel bad about, and.

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Joey Myers: You know how to discern between and critical think between what's good, what's not, or maybe. Maybe. What's not it? Maybe it's not. It's not a blanket teach, but in a certain scenario it can work.

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Joey Myers: Some of these other people don't, and that's that's where I think. It, it can get people into into trouble. So it's like following guys like you.

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Joey Myers: And Perry and some of the other guys that we've mentioned on this call. It's like those are. Those are great resources to, to kind of stay in that.

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Joey Myers: In that lane and learn all you can from those people, and then that'll you'll start to kind of have a sense of the principles. So that when you go outside those lanes you're not like you're naked.

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Xen Penny: Why I. For me. I um.

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Xen Penny: I feel like I have an obligation to share the truth.

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Joey Myers: Hmm.

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Xen Penny: About what I believe. So that's. To help people. But also, you know.

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Xen Penny: You know, it's think we have obligation to share the truth. You know, of what we believe, and. You know for me. It's uh.

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Xen Penny: There's a lot of people that need help, you know, and. I think for me. It's all about.

01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:07.000
Xen Penny: Putting out stuff to help other people, you know. So that's. Is for me like my life really wouldn't be that much different if I didn't share anything but.

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Xen Penny: I wanna put out stuff to. Maybe you could help someone connect, connect a few dots or.

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Xen Penny: Maybe it could help a a dad that's just trying to help his son or something, you know, you never know. So that's why I just try to. Share stuff that I've I've dedicated my life to to learn and.

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Xen Penny: And I I just wanna you know, give, you know.

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Joey Myers: Mhm.

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Xen Penny: It's all about giving giving to others. So.

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Joey Myers: 100% 100%. And I think that's why I like a lot of what you what you post and. You're transparent. You're upfront. You're.

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Joey Myers: You know, also authoritative. You're gonna you say it. This is what it is. This works for me, you know. It's the same that I find with Perry and some of the other guys. Is, you're not afraid to share it. But you're not also a blustering.

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Joey Myers: Baboon that you just keep doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on something that's. Like you can't take that and apply it to every single hitter all the time blindly. Oh, this hitter comes in.

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Joey Myers: Oh, we're going to work on this today like you gotta see, it's like pitching like our hitters who say you don't walk into the. Into the park.

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Joey Myers: You know. Lick your thumb, see the way the wind's blowing, and say, you know what I'm going to hunt middle up fastballs today. You can't do that.

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Xen Penny: Right! Damn.

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Joey Myers: You gotta have a picture to look at and see what he's doing, and you know. Yeah gotta be adaptable.

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Xen Penny: I've got to be adaptable. Gotta be adept. Gotta be adaptable. But it was a.

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Xen Penny: It was nice to meet you officially, and I appreciate the time, and thank you for having me on.

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Joey Myers: You got it, Coach Dan? Thanks. Keep up the good work.

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